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08-29-2008, 06:26 PM
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Chase Utley one of the most overrated players?
lets compare Chase Utley's 2008 stats to another NL player who half the publicity of Utley.
Utley: Runs HR RBI Total Bases BB OBP AVG
86 31 86 276 52 .374 .289
??? Payer: Runs HR RBI Total Bases BB OBP AVG
88 31 95 260 52 .380 .304
Utley also leads all MLB second baseman in errors.
??? player is Ryan Ludwick who is not even the best player on his team! However people seem to think Utley is having a remarkable year!
how he does not even lead his team in 1 of the 3 important offensive categories. AVG HR RBI
shit sorry my stats arenbt lined up with the categories sorry
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08-29-2008, 06:56 PM
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Great stats, and I love the comparison, although I am a Cardinals fan so I guess that makes sense.  Anyways, I have to admit I really like Utley. He is one of the best hitting second baseman we have seen in a while and when he is hot, he is one of the best in baseball. However, that is just it, he has to be hot in order to gain those honors. Also, I was quite surprised to see that he is already almost 30 years old, and his top mark of HR's in a season is only 32. Now don't get me wrong, that is a hefty amount, especially for a second baseman. However, for the amount of publicity this guy has, I would expect a lot more production than that. So overall, I do admit I like the guy, but I have to agree, he is a little overrated in comparison to some other players.
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08-29-2008, 07:29 PM
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yea but utley is way more proven and plays second base. compare utley to other second basemen and ludwick to other outfielders.
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08-29-2008, 07:49 PM
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Utley is not overrated he has one of the most sweetest swings in history of baseball, he is so powerfull with the compact swing, the only reason he dosent lead the team inhr is becasue of Howard. He dosen't have as many RBI because Rollins has been in a slump, and Howard has Rollins, Victorino, and UTley in front of him to drive in. His AVG. isn't up because he and the whole team have been in an offensive slump for two months. When the Phils offense is going all out utley is one of the most feared players in all of baseball
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08-29-2008, 07:52 PM
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K get off this site Chase Utley rocks
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08-29-2008, 08:08 PM
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That is outstanding offensive output from a 2B. You cannot compare an outfielder to 2B, it's like apples to oranges. Any team would be willing to fork over some major money to a 2B with that kind of production. You just don't get that out of most middle infielders period. Granted Ryan Ludwick is having a great season, but you have to compare his numbers to other players who play his position IMO.
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08-29-2008, 08:18 PM
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NO Not at all He will still win MVP No matter what you think about him.
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09-02-2008, 03:15 PM
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He's not at all overrated. He's one of the elite 2B in all of baseball. Since 2005 he's leading all major league 2B in almost every offensive category.
He'll probably finish this year with 100 runs, 35 homeruns, 100 rbi's, 12 stolen bases, and a .290 average.
I think any team would take those numbers from their 2B.
How can you compare Ludwick to Utley anyways? They don't even play the same position, and Ludwick is finally having a good season at the age of 30. Utley has been a stud every year he's been in the majors.
Compare Utley to any other 2B in baseball and you'll see he's Top 3, if not the best.
Carl Crawford is by far the most overrated player in baseball.
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09-02-2008, 04:52 PM
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WOOAHHHH WTF are you talking about??? UTLEY IS THE BEST DEFENSIVE SECOND BASEMAN IN MLB. Chase Utley is NOT overrated. When President Bush was asked who the best position player in MLB was, did he say Ryan Ludwick?? No. He said Chase Utley. And who says Utley is having a "remarkable" year?? I actually think he's having an okay year. And you can't go by his stats from one year. Take Ryan Howard as an example. I'm a HUUGE Philly fan, but I'll admit that Howard is overrated. That first year in the majors he was CRUSHING the ball and setting records. And now he's setting strike-out records. So can you really tell how good of a ball player Howard is from that first year? No. So get some career stats and THEN compare them.
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09-02-2008, 05:05 PM
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Utley may lead the league - of second basemen - in errors, but I gaurantee - 150% - that Utley has made plays that no other second basemen in the Majors could have made. He may have errors, but if he can make plays that nobody else can make - that truly makes a second basemen.
Ryan Ludwick is an outfielder! No matter which way you look at it, those postions are completely different. Outfield players aren't required to have great defense, necessarily. Most of their plays are routine fly balls. Yes, they may have some difficult plays, but for the most part, they put their arm in the air and catch a ball. (I'm not saying that doesn't take talent, but for a major leaguer, it's routine) Second basemen have to be all over the place. They dive, they jump, they come in contact with baserunners, they're hit when people are sliding into 2nd. It's a contact position, and that beats up the player. So honestly, an infielder with good stats, really has GREAT stats. He has arguably the best swing in baseball. It may not pay off all the time, but when it does, it's amazing.
He's in the public eye because he is remarkable. If he weren't, there would be no reason for him to be in the spotlight. And by the way, those stats weren't good ones to compare. haha Ludwick has a slight edge in runs - which isn't in their control. Same HR, Slightly more RBI, less TB, same walks, slightly better OBP and AVG. If your going to try to convince people that a remarkable player is overrated, i suggest using stats that truly support your stance, because these barely leave you with one leg to stand on.
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